hey there what I see is

people letting their businesses run their lives

versus them leading their business to love their life

I see this in corporate jobs

and I see where we step into

expectations that other people have of us

that do not honor us and allow us to eat our own life

welcome to this episode

and I'm glad you're here to listen

my sanity

hello hello

and welcome back to another episode of Lead Your Life

with Debbie Haiser

I am super excited to have my good friend Michelle here

and it's interesting Michelle and I met through well

I think there's some divine intervention

that happened with this meeting

because we're both a part of a Facebook group

that is like a podcast community

of people that

have started podcast or starting them looking for

excuse me looking for gas on their podcast

um just getting practice doing pot

I mean it's just like a vast array of things

and Michelle's caught my um

admins I and she said you need to sign up for this

so she kind of gave me the link

I signed up to be a guest on Michelle's podcast

and minute we met because Michelle has a process

where she meets with people

which is perfect to vet people and say okay

is this a match for my podcast

and I think it was only like a 10 or 15 minutes

yeah

like really quick

and immediately you and I both were like oh

we need to set up a coffee date virtually

so Michelle's in Minnesota

I'm in Idaho and from there

it just took off

and so I'm really excited to have Michelle here

she is you are like this bountiful energy

I know sometimes you think you're not

but you are and

you know you're an inspire

and so I really wanna have a conversation today

on how you followed um

you know the urges of

you and I both have a similar faith

so for those of you that

kind of get squirreled out by the word God

I don't want you to just replace it with what you have

but that's kind of where we're gonna go today

and Michelle

I want you to introduce yourself and how you

what you do in the world your mom

like you have a lot of different hats

I totally do right

lots of hats for sure oh my gosh

so Debbie

thank you so much for having me on your show

like like you said

we are Kindred spirits

that we were supposed to beat each other

we're supposed to beat each other's corner

and I'm so grateful that you're in mine

so you guys yes

it's such an honor to be here

and I do I wear a lot of hats

so when I'm not a mom of two kiddos

and I wiped my husband I do anesthesia for a

an amazing amazing healthcare facility here

in the Midwest and then

I have a couple of businesses that I run

outside of that primarily

what I like to focus on is really

truly helping people get out of their own way

and to really be able to step very purposefully

with clarity and confidence

into the life that god is leaving them

and I think that often times

we get in our own way without even realizing it

and it's really just helping people

not trip themselves up

and I think that that's why we connected so much

Debbie because we both had this heart

for helping people live out their best

and fullest life right

and

and what's so fascinating is that

what happened to me was kind of like

this transition

of allowing myself to step out in faith

and to try on a new hat per se

right that allowed me to discover what my ultimate

divine purpose is

and that's what's so fun about this journey

is that I think often times

we think that we have to have

the whole piece of the puzzle

put together before we can take that first step right

and

I truly believe that God does not allow us to see the

entire journey because if that was a case

we would look at that summit

we'd be like ah

ah that's too far

that looks like too hard of a journey

I ain't going and instead

he allows us to take one step in faith

at a time and he allows that to happen

where then you take the next step in faith at a time

and before you know it you look back and you're like

holy crap like this is the most amazing view

I can't believe I'm you know capable of all this stuff

and so that's what's really fun

but it's definitely not the path

I thought I was gonna be on

that's that's the point of this hahaha well

and you just I like was jotting down a couple notes

because one of the things that I wanna talk about too

is like

you're talking about this journey and like when we

I love how you just place that because it's like hey

we're taking this journey

and we turn around and we look back and like

holy crap like look at all of this

and for me one of the things that I found

and I know I'm not the best at this either

and I would like to work on this a little bit more

is stopping and when I look back

looking at the gain right

and when I say looking at the gain

I look at the gain but then I'm like okay

but there's so much more to do yeah

yeah right

and for there's so much more to be

if I look at being a human being instead of doer

and we don't take the time to celebrate right right

and so that you just made me think about that

but then you also talked about purposefully

like purpose and I know that's really important to you

so tell me a little bit more about

kind of your life and what

some of the purposeful

things that you have done in your past

and are doing right now yeah okay

that's a great question

so I think that I'm gonna start out with a a story

and for those of you guys

who are familiar with scripture

this is gonna sound familiar

but those of you guys who aren't like

just listen to the story right

so

there's a story about this guy who has three servants

and he goes away

and he asked the three servants to take care of his

coins somebody would say maybe those are talents

while he's away when he comes back

he finds that the two of them had taken their coins

or their talents

and they reinvented them in order to make

the kingdom even bigger than it was before

he left one of them literally was burying his coins

because he didn't want to

to mess up

he didn't want to accidentally lose his master's coins

and so he buried his coins or his talents

and didn't utilize them and when the master came back

he was upset with the person who buried their coins

because like

I gave you these and you didn't do anything with it

and I think that sometimes that happens to me

and I think that sometimes that happens to people

I care about the most

where not only do we not recognize these beautiful

god given talents and coins that we have

but we're so afraid of not doing it perfectly or

or failing or embarrassing ourselves or just

just being allowing confusion to to really take over

and we don't do the things that we are

capable of doing

and so that's really where I just wanna live

my life is full out in that way

I wanna be able to say okay yeah

I've been able to recognize the coins

and the talents I've been given

and I've been able to reinvest them

to make other people lives better

that's my whole point

now if I were to have played it safe

I would have done everything

the exact way that I had planned out

and this is again where I go back to saying like

we think we have this plan

but sometimes

if we allow ourselves to be LED by the next step

it's gonna take us on a different path

but that path is actually better

than the one that we had originally planned for right

and so this was me like Debbie

I am you know self admitted overachiever my whole life

you know I'm the nerd who sits in the front row

and the 4.0 student who tries to do everything

and then some and I found myself getting my mastered

and then my doctorate anesthesia

working at

one of

the best healthcare facilities in the entire world

yeah literally got myself into my dream position

which is teaching for the doctor of Nurse

Anesthesia program in this

you know top notch medical facility

literally living out my dream

and I should have been able to been like okay done

I'm good now coast out to the next 30 years

but I knew that that was putting on my heart

that there was something more

there were more coins and talents inside of me

that I wasn't utilizing and so

that stirring allowed me to open my mind

to what could be placed in front of me next

I think that's one of the things that's so important

is that when we allow ourselves to be open enough

to be redirected there could be a whole another path

another journey that we didn't even know existed

yeah yeah

it's interesting to the show that you say that

because I think back on my own experience

and I talk a lot about brain science

so those of you listening have heard this

where the subconscious messaging

like even there's a culture in the Midwest too

right that oh

I've achieved what I wanted

wash my hands of it and now

I'm just gonna coast out the next 30 years

and work my job to live for the weekends

now I'm not judging that

there's nothing wrong with that

if a person is happy with that um

and and I do feel like sometimes what happens is

these talents at you know

like or these gifts that were given are very different

and so people compare themselves

uh huh you know

I think back to some people that I have talked to

that I have the utmost highest respect for that say

I'm just I'm using quotation marks

for those of you that are listening

I'm just a stay at home mom right

because I might take the just out of it

because I don't have those talents right

like my son went to daycare and I'm okay with that

but I spent really good quality time with him

but it's like

for people that do that or homeschool their kids

or people that are in a position that

I guess where I'm going with this too is we

I think in the United States have these like

judgments on different jobs and on different

what success means yeah

totally and we're so worried about living up to this

measure of what is considered success in mainstream

that we haven't stepped back long enough to listen

so when you talk about how

when you listen and you step in faith

that that plan is a lot better than the plan that we

put together right

because

if I'm putting something together without direction

from spirit then I find that it

I'm wrapped with confusion

and it's interesting

there's this statement that it is simple

like the things we believe in

the things that we practice yeah

it's simple but it's not easy right right

because it's against mainstream

so I think of all these fish going downstream

and one fish trying to swim yeah

totally opposite way right

yeah yeah

and you know

I just got back from a trip out to the Grand Tetons

and Yellowstone and one of the things so beautiful

yeah it was so beautiful and I didn't even okay

here's the deal guys

this is an illustration for to make Debbie's point

I did not have any attention in going to Yellowstone

at all I felt like

there was gonna be plenty of time for us to do that

on a separate trip

and then this was gonna be all around the Tetons

and that's it well

while I was out there

I ran into a friend of mine that I used to work with

now her friend from high school

actually happens to be a park ranger at Old Baseball

in Yellowstone she invited me to join her

and have a private tour from the Ranger

at Old Baseball that day so

I got to see new angles and

have a totally different experience than I would have

on my own at Yellowstone anyway

but I had no plans

or intention of even going to Yellowstone

I had to be open to

to being guided to something that's new and unplanned

but it became better than I what I could imagine

so then

she told us about different ways that we can see

the Grand Prismatic from a different angle

in a better view with less people

like I wouldn't have gotten that experience

and so I think that we can go into

our life with this predetermined agenda

but things can happen for us

that allow us to have an even better

bigger experience and so one of the things that

that I was ingrained in my programming

was that I needed to just climb the corporate ladder

so my next step was gonna be eventually

I was going to

shoot forward to be the program director of this

doctorate program right

and I wanted to publish more research

and I wanted to do all the things that the corporate

latter would lead me to

and utilize my education to my fullest

because when I grew up my mom

instilled upon us that you have to have an education

cause she didn't have one

so so that's what you have to do so now here I am

I am this is a snapshot of my life guys

for you to understand like how crazy this was

so I am working full time

I'm doing half of my time in the operating room

in anesthesia half my time teaching

I have all these research projects running

I'm traveling the country

speaking around anesthesia seminars

I have my kids my husband the basketball coach

the season was starting

I had a lot of stuff on my plate

I was finishing up my doctorate degree at the time

I was introduced to an opportunity

that allowed me to start a home based business

I had no business starting a business

I had no time to start a business

I didn't have any background

knowledge of how to do this

but something kept tugging at me something kept

you know

continuing to get my attention as I remember thinking

alright fine God

if this is what you want me to do

then you're gonna have to send me people I can help

you're gonna have to teach me how to do this

and I literally was able to create

another stream of income that allowed me

within six months Debbie

to drop my time at the hospital by the week yeah

that's fantastic

and and why wouldn't I wanna see this too

because I feel like this is important

in the sense that I didn't even know what

I didn't know and I didn't know what I needed

until I had already gotten it

in this this is what I mean by that

I didn't realize how burnt out I was

I didn't realize that I felt like I was missing

out on all the things that my kids were doing

because I was constantly in my office

my husband's a teacher

they were home at you know all the time in the summer

I was missing out I didn't realize that

because I was climbing the corporate ladder

I was doing all the things that I was supposed to do

and when when my life

and God allowed me to have this situation

where I could cut back it was like

holy shit

like all of a sudden I realized how much I needed that

like he knew that I needed it more than I did

and so that detour then

literally took me on the path that I am now

which is the coaching and the teaching and the speaking

and I I actually resigned

instead of going after that director job

I resigned from my professor position

and that would have never even been on my radar

but I am happier more fulfilled

and feeling like

I'm making a bigger impact than I ever did before

because I was willing

to step out into a little bit of faith

to not know the whole stairstep

but knew the next step and to just kind of go with it

right yeah

well and I wanna back up with Shelby cause it's so

I love how you said a little faith

honestly you had a whole lot of faith

that's not about a little cause when you take that step

I was just talking about this

I was at um

a mastermind and this will

this is dropping in October

and this is the middle of summer that we're taping this

but I just got back from Saint Petersburg

and it was interesting I was thinking to myself that

you know

and I was having conversations around the fact that

when we take that first step

in faith right

a lot of times it feels like you're at the Grand Canyon

right like when you take a step

you're gonna fall and right hurts yeah

right yeah

yeah fall flat on your face

and the step seems so wide and so far right

then you then you take the step

and you realize it's just a crack in the sidewalk right

right yeah

right and yeah

and wait for so long in this space of uncomfortability

and pain and confusion yes

and then we take the step and it's like

whoa and then what I see people do and I

I wanna find out if you see this too

and if you experience this yeah

I did where

then I made myself wrong that I didn't do it sooner

yeah yep

right and

and then we get into this

the spiral of like the shadow self in the light right

where we go into a spiral a downward spiral

which then I mean

for me called a little Star Wars E but I think they're

they're I get attacked more

when I'm about to do something really great

for the kingdom

like I feel that I've seen it lay out everywhere yep

so we go into this dark spiral

because we start to beat ourselves up and say oh

I should have taken this step sooner

it's just a crack on the sidewalk

and we forget that we had to let go

we had to surrender in faith

and I step forward I know I experienced that

and my business coach kept saying

quit making yourself wrong right

it's not a right or wrong right

you stepped in enjoy that

be happy with it remember this feeling

so that the next time that you're being it

like that God is asking you to level up

and do something different

that you remember what that felt like

so that when you step in

you remember that instead of the fear

but tell me like

cause I know you've experienced some of that too

like tell me what your experiences in that

and potentially how you are stepping in faith

yeah I mean

I'll just give you this great example

that popped in my head when you were talking

is like okay

when I was pre business so before I started my business

I was terrified to call any attention to myself

I didn't want to be

the subject of anybody's conversation

I didn't want anybody to even notice me

so when it came to my like Facebook game right

the only people that were friends with me on Facebook

are people that like

if I knew your mom then then you can know my business

like it was a very

small group of people that were

allowed into my Facebook friends list

right

because I just didn't want attention and I didn't want

I don't know I don't know

it was just lots of blocks

only posted

the occasional inspirational quote from someone else

and edited pictures of my kids

cause I actually was a photographer at the time as well

so I couldn't just post pictures of my kids playing

like

they had to be like my photography pictures of my kids

like that's how insecure I was right

fast forward now to six years later

I'm literally teaching like online social media

marketing and teaching people how to step out into

their authenticity

and be vulnerable in front of people right

I have you know

I have you know

almost 15,000 um

downloads on my podcast I

I have all of these people

so like here I am this tiny little wildflower

all of a sudden

putting myself vulnerably out to the middle of

of all of these things and so I totally understand

and I remember

the first time that I posted about my business

I was terrified

what will people think

who are they gonna think that I'm Spammal Pamela

um you know

why would they think that somebody that is

you know doing all of these professional things

like why would she start an online business

like that's weird

all of the things that were going through my head

that were preventing me from like

literally stepping out

and I can completely get that guys

but one of the things that I found is that this is

and this is my journey Debbie

so I found that

I wanted to be able to post about my business

because if I'm going to do something

like I wanna prove to myself that I can do it

like that's one of the things right

so I knew I needed to do it

cause that's what I was being coached on

but I also knew that I couldn't just be like

this giant infomercial for my business

so I needed to delude it down with other things

like what I'm doing

what my kids are doing all these things

so all of a sudden

I started to be vulnerable on purpose

because I needed to delete out my business message

that's honestly how that started okay

as I became more comfortable with that

I started to recognize like

holy crap I haven't exploded

I still have friends and family that will talk to me

like people are making fun of me

I I'm gonna be okay

and I started to just build that confidence

action creates confidence guys

it's not the other way around

and so I had to get out there and I had to start doing

and then I proved to myself that I could do it

and then it's like this good

better best so I did it

and then I started to figure

how I could do it a little bit better

and then I get to a point where hey

I can teach this stuff

because other people probably understand how I felt

and I can help them get to that point

and so it's really just recognizing that

you don't have to be perfect at once

and all of us start somewhere

all of us have fear it's really just a matter of

those of us that are choosing to

to take that even that first small step

that first post that first

you know decision

you make me think about like

this came to my mind and I wanna explain a little why

but there's this whole couch potato to 5K yes yes

you know like thing

and that's what I was thinking about because we

I don't know about you

but I have found with clients and with myself yeah

that I see a vision and I think I need to get there

0 to 60 right

like I should just be able to go out and run a 5K

well that's crap

that doesn't happen no

and so to your point and you know

like if you could imagine a circle that you have this

this belief and then you have action

it's it's a circle

it doesn't it's not linear

so the action helps change the belief

is what I hear you say right

like I never thought I would jump out of an airplane

cause I have terrible fear of heights right right

but then when I took the action and realized

you know like in the situation

I wasn't dying and it changed the belief

and then that changed in other areas of my life

and that starts that momentum

which is the upward spiral

yes and helps you gain the momentum to go

do what you want to do so

what I'm hearing you to say is

somewhat of that constant repetition right

like it just

the repetition continues to build that confidence

continues to help you know that you're stepping in

in faith and it doesn't mean that you're not gonna

run into hurdles or right

you know right

it is simple it's simple

it's just a decision right yeah

it's not easy to

not necessarily execute on that decision

and I think like

one of the things that I have found in myself

and the people that I've coached Debbie

is that it's sometimes not even just that initial

like step out in faith

it's the repetition that you're talking about

it's the consistently showing up

and I think that

one of the things that I've seen in myself

and the people that I help

is that you start to get tired

you start to lose a discipline

you start to get some rejection

or you start to have some people um

not believing in you

or you start to just get busy and life gets crazy

and so then you stop and so here's an example

cause the the couch to 5K made me think of this

so

I had a coaching client this morning that we talked in

her whole goal

was that she wanted to have a goal and a strategy

for building her business

by the end of our hour like awesome

we literally spent 40 minutes

just identifying exactly

how she's gonna create the habit

how she's gonna show up at the same time

in the cues that she's gonna use

the the things that are that

that she needs to be able to tell herself

the affirmations about how she's proud of herself

for keeping appointments with herself

all of the things that go into like

literally the repetition the consistency

because it's in the small steps consistently over time

they're gonna get us to where we wanna go

and it's so crazy how much the little

tiny things that we don't even acknowledge

are keeping us from actually stepping out there

so like one of the things that we talked about is like

she's I said

what do you think you need to do in this hour

and she's like well

I need to reach out to five people like awesome

what does that mean

and like even just that she like well

you know you're right I really don't know

cause sometimes

I don't know if I should talk about business

or I should just you know

ask how they're doing

and those little stupid things trip us up

so then we don't actually get into action because we

sit there and overanalyze it

and then our hour of I you know

incompeterous activities up

so we talked about

all the little things that can trip us up

so that when she shows up tomorrow morning

at the time she designated

and she has all of the things in place

she's more likely to stay in that consistent space

and I think that often times we don't

we think that there's something wrong with us

I must not have what it takes

I must not be set up for this I

you know and when

then we get down on ourselves

in that downward spiral goes right

yeah and it's interesting to the show

and maybe with this client

to you found this is sometimes I find that

and at the sake of sounding a little um

black and white here that when we don't step in

and we don't consistently step in

it's not a true desire

or it's a true desire and we really want it

but we have a loyalty packed with someone

a contract with someone subconsciously

or a double bind where we say we want something

and we're strong about it

but yet there's something in us

you know

even to the point of wanting to be like my mother

and so therefore I'm not losing weight and

you know it's like I want to

but I I wanna be like my mom

and there's a subconscious thought of oh

I look like my mom did at her age

and that it's really subtle stuff in our brains

that hold us back it's not us doing it to ourselves

but there's messages that come in

and so I look at it too

that if if we say we desire something

this is the whole like moving mountains piece right

like we're able to move mountains to make it happen

because

it's a true desire that's been placed on our heart

and we've accepted it that's a big piece of yeah

like being open to receiving it

yep and then stepping in

and it doesn't mean that we won't get tired

it doesn't mean that

there are times that we won't wake up

and go oh

I gotta go do the thing right right right

totally but it gives I found 80 20 rule

it used to be 20% of the time

I was excited about stepping into my business

the other 80% I was like oh gosh

this is scary

I don't know if I'm gonna do it like all these things

and I found that the more and more solid I am

in my relationship with god

the more and more solid I am

knowing that I am where I need to be yeah

the sense of urgency I have

it's really more like 90% of the time

now I'm up and I'm like yeah

let's go get it and 10% I'm like oh

I gotta balance my checkbook right

like no or pay bills right

like yeah

although I look at it too

cause I'm god is always for us so

you know it goes to

I'm glad I get to pay taxes

because that means I'm making some money right

or like we were talking before we got on here

the fact that there are things that happen

you know I've talked about how my business doubled

and then all of a sudden it's like

I'm needing to level up and figure out systems

or do certain things yeah

and I think we were talking about that earlier too

right like anything you can look at it as bad

the law of polarity that oh

something is happening to me

which is the victim

and then we get into that downward spiral or we say

okay isn't this interesting

what's what am I

what's the game here you know

what am I if the universe is for me

if God is for me what is this causing me to do

well it's causing me to level up

it's causing me to think a little differently

about something

it's causing me to go out and repair relationship

or to go out and make a new relationship

whatever that is right

and I use the example of being in an airport

cause right now you know

you hear gloom and doom and knock on wood

I have not had any issues with flying

or lost luggage or anything

I had a piece of luggage damage

but you know what that happens and they were raised

um but looking at it as that

it's for me

if there's an issue with something

I look at it and say

I'm really glad they found that issue

before we got in the air where there's other people

and I'm not saying I'm all good at tissues

but the observation and I used to do this

where I'd be so irritated that it was delayed

right and I'm thinking whoa

it's so different when you shift yeah

that mentality and that vibration

so um

what tell me something

as far as

when you decided to stop the professorship piece of it

the teaching piece of it

and went into that and then had your side gig

tell me where you're at now

yeah so I am in transition again

so I do anesthesia a couple days a week

and I'm helping people in

all the kind of ways that you are

which is so much fun so you guys

like Debbie and I geek out over like

brain science stuff quantum physics stuff

you know our faith and servant leadership

we both love servant leadership

and so I that's where I meant

I'm stepping into more public speaking

and stepping into a whole

new program that I've created

for people that is going to

literally

help with the things that you and I talked about today

right and one of the first pieces that I have in

there is just that recognition

that we all have this amazing superpower

Debbie that you touched on

and a lot of us kind of take it for granted

but it's literally called free will

what is free will

our free will is our ability to choose

so I get to choose my actions

and I get to choose my attitude

so I get to choose whether or not

I'm gonna stay a victim to the circumstance

or I can choose to rise above it

and so once we can step into that superpower

that allows for us to choose better for ourselves

from that point on right

I also am finding that it's so fun

and is so fascinating to help people see

and mine out their beauty and the talents within them

because oftentime they think that we

you know

we hear the parable of the servants and we're like yeah

if only I could just look at this coin and say yep

you're really good at communicating okay

I'll use that one you know right

and we don't have that

but I love to mind that out of people

to help people see the beauty

and the unique gifts that they have

and how they can apply that

to the god given purpose that they're putting on

in their heart and I think often times

two people just don't have the confidence

they're like I just don't know what is my path

and honestly this is the thing

I wanna just clear up this expectations again

that we're not meant to know the entire path

we're meant to take the next step

but sometimes

it just feels really good to know that at least

I'm on the right road

right

and I think that there are so many clues around us

that often times people don't recognize

so that is like lighting me up

it's really to help people to figure out

all of the pieces of their puzzle

their unique puzzle that has made them equipped

and I think about my own life in that

I would have never have guessed in a million years

that I wouldn't be using my doctorate in

in anesthesia in the way that I thought I was right yep

yeah but what I look back on this

I'm like holy crap

I started my public speaking in 2,008

because I had a professor

who asked me to take a five minute presentation

and turn it into a one hour lecture

at a conference

that five

minute presentation turned into my speaking career

yeah nice

you know I think about that and I think about how

you know I was

I became a professor

and I became really good at putting together

and creating courses and teaching

and you know what guess what

guess what I'm doing now

and so there's

all of these pieces that I never even

realized that I had but they have been given to me

and are allowing me to apply it

towards the purpose that I have

and I do I have all the answers girlfriend

there's a reason that we meet regularly right right

but but do I at least know that I'm on the right road

absolutely

and so I think that's what gives me the peace of mind

that the confidence and the clarity to keep going

because I think that

that's gonna help me to get to where I wanna go faster

that's gonna help me to get to where I wanna go with

greater ease instead of all the damn struggle

hustle for the sake of hustling

cause you think that you have to

all the programming that tells us that

that's how it needs to work right

and

and the satisfaction of knowing that I'm stepping into

the life that I'm supposed to live

and I can like in all confidence say to myself

and I'm gonna tear up a little bit like

well done good and faithful servant guys

that's where that that's where that verse came from

is the parallel of the servants

he's talking to the

the servants who took their talents and they use them

and they invest them and they grew them

and they made the kingdom better and bigger

and well done good

faithful servant and so I'm doing that

I'm living that one terrified step at a time

but I'm doing it

because that's what he's asking of us to do

and it's so much stinking fun

and that's just it

like we're called into a life of fun and joy

and that's where heaven is on earth

Heaven is peace and joy on earth

and I can experience that

because of the things I'm doing to help other people

in the talents I'm using

that I'm discovering for myself

and it's so much fun to help other people do that

yeah and it's interesting that you say that too

because

one of the things my business coach helped me with

was to see that the law of polarity

where there's fear there's also excitement

and so you know

when you are terrified choose excitement instead

cause there's a real fine line between that

and then once you step in and once you practice this

it becomes easier and easier

right to do right

um and there's so much more that we could touch on

like the love comparison and all these things

um but we are to the point where we need to wrap up

and so Michelle

thank you so very much for um

for just taking the time

and sharing what's been on your heart

and I hope that our listeners have taken a few

golden nuggets

cause there were a lot of them in this episode

so with that Michelle

tell us if someone wants to reach out to you

they wanna learn more about what you do

I know um

you have a podcast called unstuck

I do yeah

it's called unstuck right

yeah the unstuck yeah

okay thank you

I thought it was I was trying to remember

if there was something at the end

yeah um

so go out and listen to that as well

but if they wanna reach out to you

how could they do that yeah absolutely

so I keep it really really simple

um even though my name isn't simple

Le shall we me is um a different name

but all of my branding is around my name

so you can find me at Le Shell we me dot com

I'm at Michelle we

me on Facebook and Instagram and LinkedIn

and so all of those ways are super

super easy join me on the Onstuck podcast

you guys and Debbie if it's okay with you

I would love to give your audience a little mind set

mastery blueprint that I came up with

that are some of my absolute favorite tips

that help people step into where they need to go

to get into action

because I've identified my former professor

like researcher has noticed

that there are three things that successful people do

and there are three things that hold people back

and so

I've created this little blue print to give you guys

some of my best tools to help you get unstuck

in life and in business

and I will make sure that Debbie has that link

and give us so amazing to talk to you today

like I could talk to you all day long

you know that I know we could

and I want um folks to know too

how to spell your name

for those that aren't watching on YouTube

and it's LAC HE LL E and then W I Em E

so take a look at that

and we'll also have the link in the show notes

and with that it's a wrap

thank you so much to everyone for listening

if you'd like to find out more about working with me

and what that might look like

please go out and take advantage of the 30 minute

free clarity call at WWW dot lead

your lit up life.com

and with that everyone have a fantastic week

thanks so much Michelle I hate it